tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4169740113013066976.post4866912672418139054..comments2024-02-10T12:12:06.028+00:00Comments on The Real Blog: Vigilant against the post-human futureDavid Boylehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11410159311875228620noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4169740113013066976.post-22767047077769110622013-06-03T00:24:21.978+01:002013-06-03T00:24:21.978+01:00if we don't really know what conciousness is,t...if we don't really know what conciousness is,then there is no way machinery,no matter how sophisticated,can have it,because after all..it is mankind..who doesn't really know what conciousness is..that makes and programs technology and robots..and as such,mankind creates it,so mankind can destroy without a trace too.conversley..this is the films of frankensteins monster coming true and if these creations manage to break their programs through some design fault..then we may well have a load of uncontrollable "zombies" running around which will be difficult to destroy..as they will be almost indestrucable and soul-less..soul is invisible and spiritual and can be imparted only to tissue of living,functioning animalistic beings.martinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4169740113013066976.post-66412241055656151912013-04-29T17:13:00.639+01:002013-04-29T17:13:00.639+01:00But if you can't define consciousness, how can...But if you can't define consciousness, how can you treat the presence of consciousness as your criterion for a real personality, or real relationships? If you don't really know what it is, how can you be sure an artificial intelligence can't have it? <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4169740113013066976.post-26941074831020409842013-04-29T14:08:24.098+01:002013-04-29T14:08:24.098+01:00Doesn't your word 'mimic' rather give ...Doesn't your word 'mimic' rather give the game away. It isn't the same - but I agree we move into territory about consciousness that is not entirely about about what you can see. And actually that is as it should be. Consciousness is not yet fully defined and it would need to be befroe we can tell whether it exists - otherwise, it is all about mimicking - not the same as actual reality.David Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11410159311875228620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4169740113013066976.post-3916710967149772512013-04-29T10:16:32.044+01:002013-04-29T10:16:32.044+01:00Perhaps the crucial question is whether, if you co...Perhaps the crucial question is whether, if you could build an electronic analogue of an whole brain, you think it would have these qualities of consciousness and self-awareness.<br /><br />For the answer to be "No", you have to be invoking something beyond the material world, don't you? This seems to me to be essentially a religious concept.<br /><br /><br />Philosophical arguments aside, if it turns out to be technologically possible to manufacture artificial intelligences which mimic human intelligence in every respect, then it's also going to be possible to manufacture AIs with powers of intelligence and reasoning that significantly exceed those of humans. At that point the question of the relationship between the AIs and human beings would become very difficult.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4169740113013066976.post-31833452994188565262013-04-29T09:47:43.863+01:002013-04-29T09:47:43.863+01:00The real issue comes down to whether or not the ma...The real issue comes down to whether or not the machine has consciousness and self-awareness, and there again the problem is definition. The Turing test certainly doesn't do it. Complexity isn't enough in itself. I maintain that, until that point, if we discovered our partner was actually a very well programmed machine, we would be a little disappointed - and not because we are prejudiced against machines, but because we wanted to be loved.David Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11410159311875228620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4169740113013066976.post-77800789934455978312013-04-28T22:43:41.105+01:002013-04-28T22:43:41.105+01:00I didn't suggest making anything illegal. I ju...I didn't suggest making anything illegal. I just commented on your implication that there are things humans can do that machines will never be able to. That seems very unlikely, unless one accepts some kind of religious argument based on machines not having souls or something of that sort.<br /><br />As for whether artificial intelligences should have legal rights, I find it very difficult to see why they shouldn't, if we get to the stage where their capabilities are comparable (or superior) to those of human intelligences.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4169740113013066976.post-14148837910273028372013-04-28T22:24:20.926+01:002013-04-28T22:24:20.926+01:00But what you're suggesting is that the obvious...But what you're suggesting is that the obvious difference being cared for by a human being should be made illegal - a new offence of discrimination against machines! This is a very interesting debate!David Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11410159311875228620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4169740113013066976.post-90982523199340516302013-04-28T22:18:58.643+01:002013-04-28T22:18:58.643+01:00I have to say that what you're suggesting soun...I have to say that what you're suggesting sounds like a form of prejudice on the part of the person involved, if the only reason for the disappointment were that the companion was a computer - and not anything to do with the way in which the companion actually behaved or communicated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4169740113013066976.post-42426841114858666432013-04-28T21:53:09.710+01:002013-04-28T21:53:09.710+01:00Anonymous, I'm not sure you're right about...Anonymous, I'm not sure you're right about this. If you were old and bedridden and you had a companion, and discovered that it was actually a highly complex computer, would you be disappointed?David Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11410159311875228620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4169740113013066976.post-19086624030842977162013-04-28T21:09:03.437+01:002013-04-28T21:09:03.437+01:00Next disrupting technologies will be biological, n...Next disrupting technologies will be biological, not digital. Biotecnology will change our civilization in unimaginable ways, if the ecological crisis do not destroy it previously.Se Monchohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09158262534780357342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4169740113013066976.post-38906492949419283852013-04-28T21:08:43.961+01:002013-04-28T21:08:43.961+01:00If an artificial brain were as complicated and pow...If an artificial brain were as complicated and powerful as a human one, why would it not have the same capacity to form relationships that humans do?<br /><br />Of course it would be comforting for us to believe that humans can do things that machines will never be able to. But that doesn't make it so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com